Kathleen Dean Moore Discusses a New Metaphor for Confronting Climate Change

Assistant Editor Scott Gast speaks with Kathleen Dean Moore about her September/October 2014 article for Orion, “The Rules of the River,” which links observations from the natural world with the fight against business as usual.


  1. I like this metaphor better than the one I’ve been comparing our situation to- a runaway train. I often feel such a deep despair- which I think we are collectively experiencing- over our climate crisis and the millions of little heartbreaking situations causing it, but this negative energy is paralytic. We need a way of seeing our situation that is empowering, so I deeply appreciate this outlook. Wonderful podcast.

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